AND STOP WORRYING! Your vids are more than perfect for what we need. If we thought they were a piece of garbage we wouldn't watch them all the way through..
..that's why I shut it off before it ended and just wrote this..
IM KIDDING.. Here are my opinions:
1. INCREDIBLE JOB ON THE VISUAL. Very impressive with the basics you have! How it circles around. You synced everything with the music, whether you know it or not.. very classy!
2. WOW, very interesting on the blind dreamers.. sounds like a band name. But the info was interesting.
3. How to Merge the Two: synthesis Activation Model: not what dream means but what the dream is.. I didn't understand that? What is the difference? Like I understand that the synthesis of the pons activity in the brain is what creates the dream content.. but, what is the difference.. it seems to me that that IS the meaning of the dream.. and that it is what the dream IS. And this is the whole theory on why we are writing down what the days' events were in relation to the dream Xtra credit.
Neuro-Cog Theory: So this just says that dreaming is like we are still thinking it is just more vivid.. consequently because it is the only thing.. "on our minds" like uninterrupted daydreaming, so to say..? I like the cross cultural info as well as the age info you have given.
The way the two merge could be that.. they are both about thinking. Think about it.. dreaming is thinking in imaginary action. The first is stating that this action is portrayed through real like scenarios.. in light of the second one.. these real life scenarios are tweaked and our natural wandering minds produce a dream that is sort of our out-put of the days' tweaked events. Like we are reliving it through our own control instead of living it through the pulls of everyones controls.. if that makes sense?
Rachael, most insightful comments. Thank you! And thank you for your kind words on the video!
Regarding your first question, the activation-synthesis model offers an explanation of the biology/workings/how of dreams but not the meaning. One can have a dream of arriving at a plane crash (a dream I have from time-to-time) and this theory might explain why it happened. But it doesn't speak much to the meaning behind it all.
I really like your comments about thinking and dreaming. VERY Domhoff-ish! Dreaming is unfiltered thought but also influenced by predictable factors.
Your synthesis is interesting as well! You sound a bit Cartwright here!
What do dreams reveal about our thought patterns? Our personality? These theories...all of them, seem to speak to this. This is where you will sound very DePaoli!
Q. What do dreams reveal about our thought patterns? Our personality?
AA (Attempted Answer): Everyones thought patterns are/have been created all differently because of different situations impacting their growing up, correct? If these thought patterns, from what I understand, are the connections that are neurally made (like our "green" models we made in class) then they would all be different. Dreams in relation to these fire the wires together producing the thought. But, how I was trying to explain before, these thoughts are controlled by how we want them to end up in our dreams.. so to say. They have our control on the situation and not everyone else's control like in real life situations. Therefore, our thought patterns will be seen in our dreams. I guess if you do the Freud therapy sessions.. you will be able to see a clearer web on how thought processes are formed. I am not answering your question I don't think, just jabbering.. or thinking through typing..
Our personality can also be traced back to these web's. I think everything can be traced back to the webs and how we associate each event within each other.
Sorry to interrupt the intense psychological dialogue, but!
Caro,
Snap!
Secondly--you were the most adorable child I think I've ever seen! Your new picture looks as though you're saying "Well, my psychology videos aren't THAT amazing..."
Thirdly--speaking of that, these videos help a LOT! They take the key points of the notes and...ehh, they're just in YOUR language, so to speak, rather than in note format. I find them easier to comprehend, even if you paid $0 to create them!
Fourthly--I will include my input on the current discussion at a later time.
Those webs are it! Yes, they are formed by experience and any genetic influence on our perception.
So do we as human have some things in common with regard to all of this? Freud, Jung, and Erikson say yes! Of course. They all offer something slightly different. That said, they all focus on our childhood's influence on these structures or DePaoli-webs.
Mr Caro! Your videos aren't bad, they are so good. The fact that you actually have the patience and take the time to make them is really cool. I haven't watched the 2nd one yet, but when i watched the 1st one i felt like i was in class, because it was stuff you would say out loud.
i have only one thing to say negitive about the videos. one some computers the vids show up, then on some computers the vid doesnt? i dont know why but the video is great.
I have always had a hard time believing things. I don't know if it's past experiences or what, but I have never been an easy person to convince. So when Freud tells me that I am sexually attracted to my father because of a fear of my mother...I don't know. I mean, I can see how that would kind of make sense--but it's not a very realistic theory. All theories and ideas can be found to make sense, but I tend to lean towards believing the most logical, most sensible ones. Biological Psychology has been my favorite unit so far because there is absolutely no way you can misinterpret neurons firing. They fire or they don't. It's not "Well, maybe my dopamine transmitter is sexually attracted to my axon..." With dreams, though, I come to a conflict. I'm a romantic, and I love the idea that dreams are windows to our inner desires and fears. I find it fascinating--and believable. But at the same time, I've had some pretty freakish dreams, ones where I really hope that I don't secretly desire for those things to happen! So I guess dreams, while they may be somewhat influenced by our desires based on a variety of factors (culture, how we grew up, experiences, etc.), I think that dreams are mainly just...well, as Hobson puts it, "meaningless bursts of neural static", even if I would like to believe that they're "romantic" and "full of inner desires".
Thank you so much for your rich, reflective, and insightful comment!
I think there is more to dreams than "meaningless bursts of neural static" and from what I understand, most psychologists, including Hobson, would agree to some degree.
Dreams appear to reveal something about us on some level. Like the neurocognitive theory argues, try to deconstruct those dreams. Sure some seem disturbing, but I would venture, most aren't as bad as you think! Even the bad ones.
Regarding Freud, this pains me to say, but there is no way I can really explain his ideas here. I wish I was with you in January to do so!
In short, there is no way you could truly deconstruct the dream on your own. The fact that it seems unbelievable, for Freud, is evidence that he is right because you have a strong reaction against it. This is predicted.
That leaves us with this: consider your dreams as reflective, on some level, of your concerns and thoughts?
Yeah, I would go with that. I have had dreams that were kind of like "trial-and-error" dreams, you know? Where you try a bunch of things out and you see what could work as a solution? They were never really, uhh, demanding problems. Like, they were problems that have been sitting in the back of my mind for some time, but still bugging me. In my dreams, I would think about possible ways to get rid of the problem. One in particular was kind of weird...we were doing these math problems in class that involved critical thinking to use different proofs to solve the problem, and there was this one that I just couldn't get. So in my dream that night, I was in math class, and Mojo was kind of...prompting me? Like, I would say "I've tried everything!" and then she'd say something like "What if you used the Associative property?" and then when I woke up, I knew how to solve the problem. I dunno if Freud and his buddies mean conflict resolution in that literal of a sense, but I have definitely had those dreams.
I would agree with you that dreams are more than just neural static, but I don't know how much more. I guess the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that dreams must mean something, as they are not the same for all people.
Gahhh that's it! EUREKA!
Of course, everybody dreams, every night--but we all don't dream the same thing. We all have different problems and such that we are contemplating solutions for, but at the same time--
We all have similar conflicts that we are going through together. Well, not together, but okay: I bet you many many people in the US are worried about their family's welfare with the sunken economy. If we were to take, say, 100 mothers and fathers from families of 2 or more that live in this country and have them do the REM waking up thing for a month, I bet you anything we would have a direct correlation between the families dream-wise. There will be the oddball dreams that only the individual parents have, but in the whole--we would see some similarities.
At the same time, everybody dreams differently. So one could argue that dreams are biological and since everybody has them, they're nothing special--but not everybody dreams the same dreams. Why is this? Dreams must reflect an inner belief, idea, conflict, desire, fear, whatever! Otherwise we would all dream the same!
Sorry Amy. No extra credit for Oprah. Oprah is overrating as far as I am concerned. I don't think I can forgive her for bringing Dr. Phil to the world.
The Activation-Synthesis Model is a bit confusing, is it just a literal meaning of the dream? How is it an analysis of what the dream is, not what it means? Because if dreams are all just a symbolic form of thought, there really isn't any other way to look at it...? If that makes any sense. And the blind dreamers are amazing. They use what little they have seen in the world to dream (for the people who lost their sight at ages 5-7, like your video mentions.)
To prep for the test, I just took a nap and then watched these videos again (whilst eating from a huge container of Washington State University cheese, blasphemy!) and I feel a lot more prepared for the essays!
I'm pretty clear about the difference between the Activation-Synthesis and Neuro-Cog. theories now... and I think that a combination of the two is the most realistic dream theory. Basically, A/S theory says that the pons sends signals across the cortex, which then combines those firings with sensory stimuli (the pug snoring, alarm ringing, etc) & tries to make sense of it. That's how we have such strange dreams. You said this theory doesn't the dreams "inner" meaning, but the thoughts which fire and the order they occur reveals a lot about our personality, etc, which relates back to the Neuro/Cog theory. The random firings indicate which preoccupations are strongest, and therefore, dreams can reveal a lot about our thinking.
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Mr Caro why do you keep apologizing for your videos?!?!
Ak! Picture quality. It is frustrating. Given my very expensive movie making software ($0), I am stuck.
I hope it was at least slightly helpful!
Of course they are helpful. It's good to get the condensed "spark note" version to back up the readings.
The video finally processed! Yes! The mouse picture!
Good font.
Quality actually looked better. Pictures seemed clearer..
AND STOP WORRYING! Your vids are more than perfect for what we need. If we thought they were a piece of garbage we wouldn't watch them all the way through..
..that's why I shut it off before it ended and just wrote this..
IM KIDDING.. Here are my opinions:
1. INCREDIBLE JOB ON THE VISUAL. Very impressive with the basics you have! How it circles around. You synced everything with the music, whether you know it or not.. very classy!
2. WOW, very interesting on the blind dreamers.. sounds like a band name. But the info was interesting.
3. How to Merge the Two: synthesis Activation Model: not what dream means but what the dream is.. I didn't understand that? What is the difference? Like I understand that the synthesis of the pons activity in the brain is what creates the dream content.. but, what is the difference.. it seems to me that that IS the meaning of the dream.. and that it is what the dream IS. And this is the whole theory on why we are writing down what the days' events were in relation to the dream Xtra credit.
Neuro-Cog Theory: So this just says that dreaming is like we are still thinking it is just more vivid.. consequently because it is the only thing.. "on our minds" like uninterrupted daydreaming, so to say..? I like the cross cultural info as well as the age info you have given.
The way the two merge could be that.. they are both about thinking. Think about it.. dreaming is thinking in imaginary action. The first is stating that this action is portrayed through real like scenarios.. in light of the second one.. these real life scenarios are tweaked and our natural wandering minds produce a dream that is sort of our out-put of the days' tweaked events. Like we are reliving it through our own control instead of living it through the pulls of everyones controls.. if that makes sense?
Wow, that was a book.
I will write in an email next time.
SORRY everyone, BAD blog manners.
Sorry.
Rachael, most insightful comments. Thank you! And thank you for your kind words on the video!
Regarding your first question, the activation-synthesis model offers an explanation of the biology/workings/how of dreams but not the meaning. One can have a dream of arriving at a plane crash (a dream I have from time-to-time) and this theory might explain why it happened. But it doesn't speak much to the meaning behind it all.
I really like your comments about thinking and dreaming. VERY Domhoff-ish! Dreaming is unfiltered thought but also influenced by predictable factors.
Your synthesis is interesting as well! You sound a bit Cartwright here!
What do dreams reveal about our thought patterns? Our personality? These theories...all of them, seem to speak to this. This is where you will sound very DePaoli!
Q. What do dreams reveal about our thought patterns? Our personality?
AA (Attempted Answer): Everyones thought patterns are/have been created all differently because of different situations impacting their growing up, correct? If these thought patterns, from what I understand, are the connections that are neurally made (like our "green" models we made in class) then they would all be different. Dreams in relation to these fire the wires together producing the thought. But, how I was trying to explain before, these thoughts are controlled by how we want them to end up in our dreams.. so to say. They have our control on the situation and not everyone else's control like in real life situations. Therefore, our thought patterns will be seen in our dreams. I guess if you do the Freud therapy sessions.. you will be able to see a clearer web on how thought processes are formed. I am not answering your question I don't think, just jabbering.. or thinking through typing..
Our personality can also be traced back to these web's. I think everything can be traced back to the webs and how we associate each event within each other.
Sorry to interrupt the intense psychological dialogue, but!
Caro,
Snap!
Secondly--you were the most adorable child I think I've ever seen! Your new picture looks as though you're saying "Well, my psychology videos aren't THAT amazing..."
Thirdly--speaking of that, these videos help a LOT! They take the key points of the notes and...ehh, they're just in YOUR language, so to speak, rather than in note format. I find them easier to comprehend, even if you paid $0 to create them!
Fourthly--I will include my input on the current discussion at a later time.
Right now? I need to go get into REM!
Rachael!
Those webs are it! Yes, they are formed by experience and any genetic influence on our perception.
So do we as human have some things in common with regard to all of this? Freud, Jung, and Erikson say yes! Of course. They all offer something slightly different. That said, they all focus on our childhood's influence on these structures or DePaoli-webs.
Thank you so much Alex!!! Have fun in REM! I need to go there myself! I look forward to your insights for sure!
Alex, your analysis on his picture is sooo funny! It does look like he could be saying that.
Hahaha. So great!
Well, I'm all analyzed out.. blech.
Mr Caro!
Your videos aren't bad, they are so good.
The fact that you actually have the patience and take the time to make them is really cool.
I haven't watched the 2nd one yet, but when i watched the 1st one i felt like i was in class, because it was stuff you would say out loud.
so don't apologize for the quality!
i have only one thing to say negitive about the videos. one some computers the vids show up, then on some computers the vid doesnt? i dont know why but the video is great.
I apologize if this makes no sense!
I have always had a hard time believing things. I don't know if it's past experiences or what, but I have never been an easy person to convince. So when Freud tells me that I am sexually attracted to my father because of a fear of my mother...I don't know. I mean, I can see how that would kind of make sense--but it's not a very realistic theory. All theories and ideas can be found to make sense, but I tend to lean towards believing the most logical, most sensible ones. Biological Psychology has been my favorite unit so far because there is absolutely no way you can misinterpret neurons firing. They fire or they don't. It's not "Well, maybe my dopamine transmitter is sexually attracted to my axon..." With dreams, though, I come to a conflict. I'm a romantic, and I love the idea that dreams are windows to our inner desires and fears. I find it fascinating--and believable. But at the same time, I've had some pretty freakish dreams, ones where I really hope that I don't secretly desire for those things to happen! So I guess dreams, while they may be somewhat influenced by our desires based on a variety of factors (culture, how we grew up, experiences, etc.), I think that dreams are mainly just...well, as Hobson puts it, "meaningless bursts of neural static", even if I would like to believe that they're "romantic" and "full of inner desires".
Gahhh I talk too much!
Alex!
Thank you so much for your rich, reflective, and insightful comment!
I think there is more to dreams than "meaningless bursts of neural static" and from what I understand, most psychologists, including Hobson, would agree to some degree.
Dreams appear to reveal something about us on some level. Like the neurocognitive theory argues, try to deconstruct those dreams. Sure some seem disturbing, but I would venture, most aren't as bad as you think! Even the bad ones.
Regarding Freud, this pains me to say, but there is no way I can really explain his ideas here. I wish I was with you in January to do so!
In short, there is no way you could truly deconstruct the dream on your own. The fact that it seems unbelievable, for Freud, is evidence that he is right because you have a strong reaction against it. This is predicted.
That leaves us with this: consider your dreams as reflective, on some level, of your concerns and thoughts?
Yeah, I would go with that. I have had dreams that were kind of like "trial-and-error" dreams, you know? Where you try a bunch of things out and you see what could work as a solution? They were never really, uhh, demanding problems. Like, they were problems that have been sitting in the back of my mind for some time, but still bugging me. In my dreams, I would think about possible ways to get rid of the problem. One in particular was kind of weird...we were doing these math problems in class that involved critical thinking to use different proofs to solve the problem, and there was this one that I just couldn't get. So in my dream that night, I was in math class, and Mojo was kind of...prompting me? Like, I would say "I've tried everything!" and then she'd say something like "What if you used the Associative property?" and then when I woke up, I knew how to solve the problem. I dunno if Freud and his buddies mean conflict resolution in that literal of a sense, but I have definitely had those dreams.
I would agree with you that dreams are more than just neural static, but I don't know how much more. I guess the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that dreams must mean something, as they are not the same for all people.
Gahhh that's it!
EUREKA!
Of course, everybody dreams, every night--but we all don't dream the same thing. We all have different problems and such that we are contemplating solutions for, but at the same time--
We all have similar conflicts that we are going through together. Well, not together, but okay: I bet you many many people in the US are worried about their family's welfare with the sunken economy. If we were to take, say, 100 mothers and fathers from families of 2 or more that live in this country and have them do the REM waking up thing for a month, I bet you anything we would have a direct correlation between the families dream-wise. There will be the oddball dreams that only the individual parents have, but in the whole--we would see some similarities.
At the same time, everybody dreams differently. So one could argue that dreams are biological and since everybody has them, they're nothing special--but not everybody dreams the same dreams. Why is this? Dreams must reflect an inner belief, idea, conflict, desire, fear, whatever! Otherwise we would all dream the same!
Did I get it!? :D
I will be at Borders tomorrow at 10am, 2pm, and 6pm signing copies of this novel! Goodness!
Tomorrow(Tuesday) on Oprah they are going to be talking about Night Terrors!
can i get extra credit for watching Oprah?
Amy you disgust me. Oprah is a brain-dead zombie who feeds off of strong emotions.
Joey actually watches Oprah with me all the time, and he loves it. No joke.
Oprah is amazing.
except during her finance shows.
then its just lame
Dirty, rotten lies! Caro! Come to my defense!
i'll write more later..but..
the Neuro-Cognitive theory totally ruined the fun of dreaming for me!!
Sorry Amy. No extra credit for Oprah. Oprah is overrating as far as I am concerned. I don't think I can forgive her for bringing Dr. Phil to the world.
YAH CARO! Crush her hopes!
Mr Caro are you saying that Dr Phil really isn't the blessing to humanity that I thought he was..? *cries*
thank you for crushing my hopes on Oprah.
Actually its fine, because it will still probably be EXTENDED STORM COVERAGE!!
seriously.
i can't watch Oprah because the news is on, and i couldn't watch The Today Show either!
The Activation-Synthesis Model is a bit confusing, is it just a literal meaning of the dream? How is it an analysis of what the dream is, not what it means? Because if dreams are all just a symbolic form of thought, there really isn't any other way to look at it...? If that makes any sense.
And the blind dreamers are amazing. They use what little they have seen in the world to dream (for the people who lost their sight at ages 5-7, like your video mentions.)
Man, the three weeks of break killed my brain. I just watched the video, and it was good, but I think I need to review my notes again!
To prep for the test, I just took a nap and then watched these videos again (whilst eating from a huge container of Washington State University cheese, blasphemy!) and I feel a lot more prepared for the essays!
I'm pretty clear about the difference between the Activation-Synthesis and Neuro-Cog. theories now... and I think that a combination of the two is the most realistic dream theory.
Basically, A/S theory says that the pons sends signals across the cortex, which then combines those firings with sensory stimuli (the pug snoring, alarm ringing, etc) & tries to make sense of it. That's how we have such strange dreams. You said this theory doesn't the dreams "inner" meaning, but the thoughts which fire and the order they occur reveals a lot about our personality, etc, which relates back to the Neuro/Cog theory. The random firings indicate which preoccupations are strongest, and therefore, dreams can reveal a lot about our thinking.
Novel Part 3!
See you guys tomorrow!
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